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Steroid lab busted in Europe last year. The open top vials in the freezer are filled with liquid rHGH and GLPs pre chilling prior to going into the lyophilizer (aka freeze dryer, the microwave looking thing).

Not you of course. That’s why people need to stick with a trusted source that tests regularly.

BBA

I would also hope trusted sources don't pre-freeze in a normal freezer. The speed of freezing can affect quality from the way the crystals form during freezing

Mind you guys: that equipment in China is much more accessible than in the rest of the world. Most of the technology (including chips, machines, etc.) is produced in China and Taiwan. In the end, it might sound crazy, but it’s actually easier for a Chinese lab to produce high-quality peptides than in other countries (talking about grey labs, obviously).

I’ve dug into this, and even reasonably used equipment is 50-100k for the smallest, most error-prone, least sterile environment. Simple things like environmental controls, water, and even having the proper power lines at the right amperages/voltages matter. You can’t use a 20AMP socket for these processes, even at “desktop” scale. At that point, you’re hand-assembling vials :) All the legit places can’t afford to lose their license, so they won’t touch it. Even if you found a lab that could make you 10,000 - 30,000 vials, it would be really hard to compete with China, even if you bought the raw API at 40 - 75 bucks a gram.

Don't even dig into "water".. there's a facility a few hours from my house certified to process and make sterile water... they loled so hard when I tried to talk to them about making BAC water... and they have the facility to do it.

I literally work at a place that makes WFI - Water for Injection and they wont let me have any. And I maintain the bloody machines! 🤣

Poland